All-Time Teams - Dallas Cowboys

[Tomkat]

In putting together an all-time team, roughly 30 players, who would make your team? Below are 3 teams. Tell me you would add/sub for these guys, or fill in the blank if there are some missing. Minimum 3/4 years with that team.

QB	Aikman, Troy
RB	Smith, Emmitt
RB	Dorsett, Tony
RB	Perkins, Don
RB	Barber, Marion
WR	Irivn, Michael
WR	Hill, Tony
WR	Hayes, Bob
WR	Pearson, Drew
TE	Witten, Jason
OL	Wright, Rayfield
OL	Allen, Larry
OL	Newton, Nate
OL	Adams, Flozell
OL	Stepnoski, Mark
DB	Renfro, Mel
DB	Harris, Cliff
DB	Walls, Everson
DB	Waters, Charlie
DB	Woodson, Darren
DB	Thurman, Dennis
OLB	Howley, Chuck
OLB	Ware, DeMarcus
ILB	Jordan, Lee Roy
ILB	White, Randy
DT	Lilly, Bob
DT	Jones, Ed
DE	Jeffcoat, Jim
DE	Ellis, Greg

[HOOP]

I WILL HIT THIS TOMORROW.

QUITE A FEW CHANGES FOR ME PERSONALLY.

THING IS, THERE ARE SO MANY CHOICES.

HOW 'BOUT DEM COWBOYS!!!!!!!

Here are the changes I'd make to the roster.

On Offense:

QB Roger Staubach for Aikman

RB Either Robert Newhouse or Moose Johnston at Fullback; or Preston Pearson as the 3rd down back... instead of Barber.

TE I'd go with Billy Joe DuPree, Doug Cosbie, or Jay Novacek (take your pick) over Witten.

OL/C John Fitzgerald or Tom Rafferty over Stepnoski

OL/T Erik Williams for Flozell Adams

On Defense:

First and Foremost after Bob Lilly... the very next name should have been HARVEY MARTIN... this is a glaring omission. You can get rid of both Jim Jeffcoat, and Greg Ellis at DE. Insert Harvey and make Ed TooTall Jones the DEs. Randy White and Mr. Cowboy Bob Lilly will be the DTs.

LB I'd take out D. Ware and put in Thomas Hollywood Henderson and Ken Norton Jr. Maybe in another few years Demarcus gets back in.

DB Your secondary is pretty good... I'd probably take out Dennis Thurman (only) and then add in Cornell Green and Deion Sanders.

- OldSchool

[sweetka]

Remove Demarcus Ware. Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson played great in the Superbowl but then became an also-ran. He allegedly used drugs on the sidelines and only lasted four years with Cowboys. I used to play that team back then every year. Football wise, Demarcus is clearly the better player. Now, since his short career and troubles, Hollywood has bounced back after being blessed with winning a lottery and has redeemed himself admirablyl. But we're talking football right?

Where is Calvin Hill (Grant's Dad) or Duane Thomas at running back?

At tight end if you are passing a lot go with Novacek (Not home grown) and Witten. Hall of Famer Mike Ditka made a stop in the big D, if you are not going drafted only there is no peer.

For that big balanced tight end that can block and get open definitely Billy Joe Dupree. In fact, Billy Joe Dupree played his whole career in Dallas. I think he went to the Pro-Bowl at least 3 times.

Originally Posted by sweetka

Remove Demarcus Ware. Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson played great in the Superbowl but then became an also-ran. He allegedly used drugs on the sidelines and only lasted four years with Cowboys. I used to play that team back then every year. Football wise, Demarcus is clearly the better player. Now, since his short career and troubles, Hollywood has bounced back after being blessed with winning a lottery and has redeemed himself admirablyl. But we're talking football right?

Where is Calvin Hill (Grant's Dad) or Duane Thomas at running back?

At tight end if you are passing a lot go with Novacek (Not home grown) and Witten. Hall of Famer Mike Ditka made a stop in the big D, if you are not going drafted only there is no peer.

For that big balanced tight end that can block and get open definitely Billy Joe Dupree. In fact, Billy Joe Dupree played his whole career in Dallas. I think he went to the Pro-Bowl at least 3 times.

Calvin Hill was a great Cowboy RB... the problem is that Tomkat only had 4 RB slots so who gets replaced? Barber is the only one I see, but I was trying to suggest to Tomkat that he fill it with either a FB or a 3-d back, instead of another HB/TB.

As Good as Duane Thomas was... He didn't fit the requirement. he only played 2 years for the Cowboys. Though he's listed as a Cowboy from 70-72, he didn't play for the Cowboys during the 72 season; he only played in the 72 Superbowl. (after the 71 season) He was then traded to the Chargers for being a headcase and a malcontent. Next to Staubach he was the best player the Cowboys had on offense, but Landry got tired of his antics and sent him packing. It makes me wonder if Landry would have been able to put up with an athlete of today that puts himself over the team; or would he have just sent him packing?

Your assessment on the TEs is accurate. I knew Novacek had been to 5 ProBowls and was a 5 time ALL PRO. I also knew that DuPree and Cosbie both were 3 time ProBowlers. What I didn't realize was that Witten (like Novacek) has been to 5 ProBowls and is currently a 2 Time ALL PRO. He still has a lot of career left, so his numbers will grow. He definitely could end up being the best.

Demarcus ware fits the requirement to be on the list. The only things that the other LBs had over him was longevity. If he stays on this roster it isn't gonna hurt my feelings, because he's a great player.

Your assessment of Hollywood Henderson is a little off. Hollywood played for the Cowboys for 5 years. He not only played great during Superbowls, he played great in the playoffs and during the regular season. He's listed as one of the first Linebackers to enter the NFL with 4.6 speed in the 40. Back in his day that was very fast. So fast that the Cowboys had him returning kickoffs part time. The great Lawerence Taylor (LT) is on record saying that Thomas Hollywood Henderson is the reason that he wears the number 56.

While in Dallas this cat was never an also-ran. His 5 years are marked with spectacular and consistent play at the linebacker position. It wasn't his play on the field that got him sent packing, it was his sideline antics, destructive lifestyle, and on air comments towards opposing teams that made Landry get rid of him.

Yes Hollywood liked to run off at the mouth, but he definitely backed it up on the field. His mouth, antics, flambouyant lifestyle, and drug addiction may be some of the reasons he only played in one ProBowl; but he is easily in the top 5 of alltime greatest Cowboy Linebackers, and he would rank in the top 2 of alltime greatest Cowboy Outside Linebackers. If he isn't #1 then it's Chuck Howley.

I definitely agree with you that him turning his life around is admirable, but strictly judging him on his football tenure with the Dallas Cowboys... He ranks at the top.

Here's my own ranking for Cowboys LBs: (This list does not include Greg Ellis because he's really a DE)

1. Chuck Howley
2. Thomas Hollywood Henderson
3. Ken Norton Jr.
4. LeeRoy Jordan
5. Eugene Lockhart
6. Demarcus Ware
7. Bob Bruenig
8. Deter Coakley
9. D.D. Lewis
10. Dave Edwards

Honorable mention: Jerry Tubbs, Mike Hegman, and Dat Nguyen

- OldSchool

[HOOP]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Here are the changes I'd make to the roster.

On Offense:

QB Roger Staubach for Aikman

RB Either Robert Newhouse or Moose Johnston at Fullback; or Preston Pearson as the 3rd down back... instead of Barber.

TE I'd go with Billy Joe DuPree, Doug Cosbie, or Jay Novacek (take your pick) over Witten.

OL/C John Fitzgerald or Tom Rafferty over Stepnoski

OL/T Erik Williams for Flozell Adams


On Defense:

First and Foremost after Bob Lilly... the very next name should have been HARVEY MARTIN... this is a glaring omission. You can get rid of both Jim Jeffcoat, and Greg Ellis at DE. Insert Harvey and make Ed TooTall Jones the DEs. Randy White and Mr. Cowboy Bob Lilly will be the DTs.

LB I'd take out D. Ware and put in Thomas Hollywood Henderson and Ken Norton Jr. Maybe in another few years Demarcus gets back in.

DB Your secondary is pretty good... I'd probably take out Dennis Thurman (only) and then add in Cornell Green and Deion Sanders.

- OldSchool

THANKS DON,

Cowboy minds think alike, cause those are the EXACT changes i would have suggested. The only one i disagree with is D.Sanders. True, he is who he is, but a Dallas Cowboy on an all time Dallas Cowboy team?, aah, i dont know. Maybe, but i dont know. You coulda EASILY put MICHAEL DOWNS on that all time team

Originally Posted by HOOPER

THANKS DON,

Cowboy minds think alike, cause those are the EXACT changes i would have suggested. The only one i disagree with is D.Sanders. True, he is who he is, but a Dallas Cowboy on an all time Dallas Cowboy team?, aah, i dont know. Maybe, but i dont know. You coulda EASILY put MICHAEL DOWNS on that all time team

I feel you HOOP... about Deion. I added him because he played 5 years for the Cowboys, and he fit Tomkat's 3/4 year minimum requirement. Now hoop you gotta remember during Deion's tenure with the Boyz; Deion played on a Superbowl Championship team... He was First Team ALL PRO 4 times, and made it to 4 ProBowls. Not to mention... Deion played (not to shabby) offense, and QB's rarely threw his way when he was on defense.

Hoop sorry I didn't mention Michael Downs. He was good a good DB along with his partner Ron Fellows. When you look at Tomkat's selections... it's hard to squeeze those guys in. I'd like to see Benny Barnes, and Kevin Smith in as well, but there isn't a lot of room at the top.

- OldSchool

[HOOP]

R O N F E L L O W S !!!!!!!!!!

i couldnt stand that guy!!!! I love em though, #27, but man he used to drive me crazy!!!!
He was like the 80's version of #46Marc Washington.


Deion was all that with the Cowboys, but he was all that before he came also. And the fact that he was a 49er still sits bad with me. Ken Norton too, but atleast he was Cowboy first and was home grown. But my argument for Deion wont stand up, he was good. and yes, not bad at all on offense, especially with that nice deep catch on the Steelers in the SuperBowl.

Kevin Smith? hmmmmm. One of my favorites. Would have stood out more if not on a team already with 5 HOFers and much talent around him.

HOW ABOUT MY MAN HERSCHEL???????? He was good with Dallas and (in a way) along with JJ, brought the farm to cultivate those championships.

[HOOP]

HONORARY MEMBER AND SENTIMENTAL FAVORITE

BILL BATES.

i did not realize he played 14 years with the Cowboys. He out lasted Downs and Walls, the 2 guys he came in with the same year.

Originally Posted by HOOPER

R O N F E L L O W S !!!!!!!!!!

i couldnt stand that guy!!!! I love em though, #27, but man he used to drive me crazy!!!!
He was like the 80's version of #46Marc Washington.

Dang HOOP... Maybe I shoulda said Dexter Clinkscale instead of Fellows. LOL!!!