A Very Good Thing is Being Ruined...

Shabby,

I understand what you are saying. My recommendation to you not to let some of these arguements get to you. There are X number of people out the in the community that thrive on creating issues. The good news is that they compose about 1% of the coaches out there, the other 99% are good people. Don't let the 1%ers effect you... "let the players play and enjoy the hobby".

Wally

[WEIRDWOLF]

Originally Posted by WallyJ

Shabby,

I understand what you are saying. My recommendation to you not to let some of these arguements get to you. There are X number of people out the in the community that thrive on creating issues. The good news is that they compose about 1% of the coaches out there, the other 99% are good people. Don't let the 1%ers effect you... "let the players play and enjoy the hobby".

Wally

Bingo!

[MplsTom]

A very wise president-elect once said,

"We need to learn to disagree without being disagreeable"

I enjoy the exchange of ideas on this board and even on occasion the banter. I try not to begin any dialog with, "Jane, you ignorant..."

Unity in purpose is good..unity in tactics is boring.

In the future, before a post is made, just re-read it and ask if you're talking about a "topic" or a "person." That general rule I think will help all of us (me included) from stoking an unneeded fire.

[Geno H]

Originally Posted by WallyJ

Shabby,

I understand what you are saying. My recommendation to you not to let some of these arguements get to you. There are X number of people out the in the community that thrive on creating issues. The good news is that they compose about 1% of the coaches out there, the other 99% are good people. Don't let the 1%ers effect you... "let the players play and enjoy the hobby".

Wally

Well said Wally.

Geno H

[FrustratedFinFan]

Yeah....like the last 20 threads are full of my system/playing ability is better than yours stuff. Till these debates started again, the board had been pretty dead though. That said, I just don't have much interest in arguing all the time....or reading arguments. This is a hobby and I like it when it stays that way. I like posts about how to create a player, base, stadium, etc. I like discussions about game strategy. I like pics of everyone's teams and fields.

It is probably time to create a new section on the forum....where threads about why my system is better than yours get sent. Those that want to continue the debate....or who truly value what is being said....will then have a place to turn to. Those that don't want to deal with the drama can simply avoid that section. It requires the moderators to be active....and they have to be respected in their decisions.

I know this post might not be too well received by some, but the community as a whole is suffering and like Shabby said...it does hurt the hobby's image.

[raiderhp]

While I too am not a fan of arguements and disputes,let's also see some of the value in some of these passionate folks. The fact there is passion amongst these people is to be celebrated.How many times have you had to deal with people who are not committed to what they're involved in? I have also been able to learn a lot about various syste,s and styles of play by reading some of this bantor.However,we do need to keep a sense of decorum about it though.It's ok to believe in what you believe and exchange in dialog and when disagreements arrive,let it be ok to disagree respectfully.


raiderhp

[Shabby J]

You guys are enjoying it, I did too at first, I also learned a lot and thought to myself these guys love their hobby.

To those that have been around this forum and the SCHMIGGLE forum, this is OLD HAT, I could hold this debate solo, I could type each sides response and go back and forth for hours all by myself, one man arguing both sides and it would pretty much look exactly like what you have been reading.

Seen it countless times.

Something must be wrong because it's always MPFL vs the rest of us. Why don't Strategy Divider guys battle with the Shootout crews, etc...We need to recognize that the MPFL is a different form of our beloved hobby and thank Anthony for creating yet another way to bring new coaches into this hobby. Believe it or not, I bet there are and have been new coaches and veterans who come aboard and study the different rules/styles and then gravitate towards MPFL style or a at least a modified version.

The more options and play styles the better, as that means more opportunity to recruit new coaches.

A victor will never be declared in this battle, all that will result is a lot of lost lives and further divide.

[Reginald Rutledge]

Shabby,

I've never came at any style of play. All I have ever really done is discussed the pros and cons of the Shootout style. That's all I know. When it comes to other styles of play, I am totally ignorant. Yes, I have played in some other styles but by no means am I good at those styles. So all I can do is talk comfortably on the Shootout style.

My problem comes with condescending remarks about things concerning what we do in the Shootout Style. Not many styles use dice (as it is frowned upon in some circles) so that's usually a red flag for what we do in the Shootout style.

My thing is "Why the concern on dice if you have no interest in them? Why slam them?" You know nothing about their purpose but you make an off the cusp statement about it being absurd to use. Never once did that type of comment come from me on another style of play.

I respect what everybody does with their styles of play. I just have no idea what the argument is about? What do guys want? Do they just want you to stop playing in the system you have and go straight to their style? I think there is room for any and all styles. No need for the attack rhetoric. Like I said, watching Warhammer and seeing all types of rulesets only strengthen what I had been saying for years, "All under one roof Convention".

But it is not my job to market any other style of play but what I know and that's what I do. I am willing to show games on the internet, do videos, and hold classes. I am readily available to offer the information.

Just market YOUR product in a positive manner and leave the other rules alone! They don't concern you.

Just my opinion

[Shabby J]

I fully agree Reg. Heck I saw the dice remark and took a bit of offense as well, we shake em up out here in Los Angeles too, you know that.

I am just trying to smooth this out and remind everyone, as we both agree, let's all play some freaking MF, you play your rules, I'll play my rules and we can all remain brothers in a great hobby.

I love ya Reg, you know that and none of my post was directed at you in particular.

I am going to get away from this idiot box for a while and work on my West Coast offense on my 308!!!!!