Am I the only EF coach who dislike this rule?

[mantaraydre]

MICH


It's not a rule it's part of football strategy, their are teams with def sets that run only 2 lineman. The patriots ran a def scheme with NO lineman !

look at some dime packages and notice who is on the field. remember defenses have schemes galore. In the nfl the def players can line up wherever they want on their side of the ball. All out blitz packages warrant dif personnel on the field at any given time. If you see just 2 run a trap or draw down the pike. One thing i push for is letting us play like the nfl, some rules force you to have running backs on off plays, WHY ? If i call a play with no backs in the backfield why cant i carry it out. IF THEY DO IT IN THE NFL TAKE OFF THE HANDCUFFS AND LETS US PLAY EF LIKE THEM !

THAT'S WHY I LOVE THE SEA WALL BRAWL RULES !!!!!!!!


BROADWAY-DRE

OK, real football has two D-Line men. But my point is about EF players knowing what to do when a player is not covering him.

Anyway, 6 people did the poll so far and 4 dislike and 2 like. Now I know that I am NOT the only person who dislikes this rule.

Thank you guys.

Tony

[RAIDERMAN]

Technically if you look at it you're really playing a 4 man line. Just because the DE's are lined up outside the offensive tackles doesn't mean there's only two men on the line. Your initial reaction is, "Nice, only two guys on the line I'm going to run all day on this guy," but as they find out running up the middle on this type of play is difficult. If your linemen are all downfield then you should have the dials turned harder to pick up the linebackers. DE's are taught to keep the play inside and not let the backs to the outside. If you line the DE's up on the tackles you can't accomplish that. So next time you see it (and you will if you play anyone from Harrisburg) look a little harder, there's (4) guys on the d-line they're just disguised a little bit. :p

RAIDERMAN

[Coach K-LO]

i understand your points tony and I more/less agree with where you are coming from.

1st - in the any-touch style - this gives the defense MORE options than the offense because you, in essence, by pass the O-line and can have more players in the offensive backfield. Coaches with speed players will win this way more than lose.

2nd - in front of the base style- as forUtohate stated, you most likely get knocked off the ball but the edge defenders still get into the backfield quickly.

3rd - the standard tournament defense (2 DL with 2 stacked LB coupled with 2 or more loopers) crushes most running games by allowing (usually) the center and 2 tackles to go uncovered and the stack presents the 2-man vs. one in the middle.

I am sure AB will jump in here about the MPFL way of changing that concept (which could be very true) by allowing all players to be adjusted during a play. However we are not all on that level, yet.

Most of us play "junk" defenses to get to the QB or have more defenders to stop the 5-wide formations we all have faced. None of these things are bad, just what is out there.

BEFL 2007 football will be addressing this season in a few ways that, our hope, will make both offens and defense play honest and not rely on the "junk".


K-LO

Of course everyone is going to have their own way at looking at this. I brought this up because I am in the process of putting together a team for this kind of play.

Maybe you guys can give me some pointers. Right now, I feel my TE is in BIG trouble. Because I know that there will be TWO players on BOTH of my TE to push him back and then a player will be coming at my QB.

With this said, should I just go ahead and put a weak base on my TE? There goes two WR already. I could say this is like stacking. But I am sure someone will say "it is double coverage and there is nothing wrong with that". But double coverage on two WR?

I did think about having my two TE 5 yards back. Then angle them both to do a loop around. Then have a RB on the left and right of my QB to pick up the blizers coming from both sides. This might work.

Right now, I just feel I need to just focus on making a running team. If you could, I would be happy to get some pointers on this kind of play in my PM. Then I can look at putting my team together with the pointers you give me.

Thank you,
Tony

[Anthony D Burgess]

This is not the first time I have heard this type of question .

To help you must answer the age old question on how do you want to play this game ?

There is street football , flag , arena , and pro . All were birthed from pro football . but have been altered to fit a type of style . Many times the style may be good in some areas , and very bad in others .

Pro football fits into the mold of pro ball , but street , arena , and flag don't fit into that mold . You don't pull a flag in real football to make a tackle , you don't play 22 men on a arena football field . I'm sure you get the point by now .

So however you play , you play within that style , and if you don't like that then either you adjust to it or move on to another style that fits what and how you want to play .

You can't apply real football know how to a style that is not based on real football . ( Not downing other styles ) just want to bring out a point . If you want chicken then why are you fishing ? Go to KFC !

[artlax]

If you can train those backs correctly they can be angled to chip block on those outside rushers 0 knocking them off their path and then slide free to become receivers - similar to screens.

TE's can be used in a similar manner.

Also - a circle route with your backs or even a wheel route.

[jimmie]

I have never like these rules about how many dl to have come on if I want to rush 7 so what handle it.One of the problems why I havent played in a league in years is that the rules dont really make sense!! To me is always been a problem!! Just my 2 cents!!

"When in Detroit, do as the Detroitians do."

BUT....that Defense didn't win the GLEFL SuperBowl so it is beatable! IMO you gotta counter what the Offense is trying to do and if that means 4 Backs bulldozing you down the field, what's a Defense to do? Especially against FOB tackling!?! If you remember I played Jim Davis' Hulks a few years ago and ALL 11 of my defenders touched him on almost every play but they didn't get a FOB!?! So the ONLY thing to do is to let an OL or 2 or 3 fly past and try to swoop in from the sides or around the back, but you gotta have some sort of resistance to stop the push! That means the 2-2 stack: 2 DL over the OGs pushed thru with LBs 5 yards back. That creates the Anvil, and hopefully your DEs and OLBs can create the Hammer. Read "The Art of War" for more examples.

Bottom line, like it or not, thems the Rules. Practice against it and figure out how to attack it instead of posting polls. You've wasted at least an hour of quality practice time.

You and Pat C. shouldn't have a hard time figuring it out - he's a former undefeated Champ and you're a former regular Division winner, so stop pulling the harp strings and practice.

You put people in the best possible position to be sucessful. If that means run a two man line then so be it. Why would any coach worth his whistle waste two defenders on every play when another team is obviously stronger? When a person plays a two man line, then the offense has to re-adjust to compensate. Besides, I am not against any rule that goes against the "strongest team, no strategy" wins theory. Just one man's opinion.