MFCA OFFICIAL RULES.

[mantaraydre]

COACHES,

As more coaches read the PRO SET RULES they like them a lot. Effanatic expressed making thm national. It was also expressed making the philly rules national. CAN THEY BOTH BE MARRIED TOGETHER TO CREATE 1 ?

Whatever it takes to get a rules produce out there and making them stick.

You must respect the philly rule set because they have a league standing at 32 strong with maybe 10 on deck waiting to get in. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU.

A great coach, ADRIAN BAXTER, WHO HAS WON EVERYWHERE AND IS RESPECTED EVERYWHERE feels the philly rules are the best he has ever played under. He had a hand in creating the pro set rules. Which the league has kicked off already and is operating quite smoothly.

The mFca must take a look at what is before them and act according to interest and numbers. With the philly league you already have a head start in interest. Some leagues cannot fill with 32. They have people on deck.
It must be working whatever the formula is.

Some will adopt these rules and some will ignore them. But you already have a huge lead in the polls in terms of favoritism.

WHAT IS TAKNG SO LONG TO PUSH GO

I spoke with dwayne hall of the pro set league for almost 2 hours the other night. He said i may give his number to anyone who wants questions answered regarding the pro set rules. Specifically effanatic. He can answer anything you have a question about. It was nice to hear a coach talking about schemes and watching NFL playbook. In the pro set you can do many things you see on playbook due to the stops.

Another refreshing thing about our phone convo was rulesets in general. He expressed that the best ruleset is the one you like. There will be many many ideas on what 1 person thinks the game should be. Pick and play with the ruleset you like.

I will support anyone from afar at this point. I will ADOPT THE OFFICIAL MFCA RULES WHICHEVER ONE IS DECIDED UPON. BECAUSE IT IS THE MFCA.
Inquiring about sticks or anything else will cease to a halt on my part. i will listen to dewayne and play where im the most comfortable.

*** A PRO SET LEAGUE NOTE. That 4 yard rule moving defensive players in any direction works well in multi stops or one stop. Its all about the snap. That fact that you can show 1 look before the snap and something totally different after the snap is great for electric football. Many fake blitzes can come from this rule.

LOOKING FOWARD TO THE MFCA RULES

MANTARAYDRE

[the french guy]

Fun you're speaking of that. Actually, I'm also working on "official" french miniature football rules. A little bit of miggle, a little bit of buzzball, a bit of pro set, and a little bit of dimitri too Why ? Because I don't like some things in the pro set. I don't like some points in buzzball rules too. Etc, etc...



What I mean is that I begin to understand why there is so many rulesets out there : miniature/electric football is a system that you can play in several ways and depths of simulation. From the out of box old school game to pure simulation. A lot of choice ! Wich is a great thing.




But, the funny thing is that in miniature football, we can't find a official ruleset. IN table hockey, table soccer, you can find official endorsed ruleset.


You can play it or not, but it exists. Why people play these official rulesets ? FOR NATIONAL OR INTERNATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TITLES. Simply as that.


Imagine you're playing table hockey in Berlin. You build a league/club. You can play any rule or table you want. But since you love playing competitive, you'll buy the same official table and use the same official ruleset the other leagues play.


ANd why these leagues plays official ruleset and table ? Because they want to be competitive for national events, where these official rulesets and tables are used. I will not speak of international championships in miniature football. They exists in table soccer or table hockey, but not in "american football" like we call it here. As far as I know, it does not exist a MF national title either.


For me, and thinking about all the MF particularities I was speaking about before, a official/national/international MF ruleset should be built with diferents depth stages/parts and option, around a core ruleset.

For example, you like passing simulation, but not multiple stops. Play "core ruleset + passing simulation - multiple stop"

You like multistop, TTQB and passing routes :

"coreset+multistop+ttqb+passing target"


etc, etc...Sounds certainly weird, but I can't find better words for now, I'm tired and thinking in english is hard for me

[eflfanatic]

Thanks Dre for this post.

Funny I was just thinking about this very subject before reading this.

Officially I have resigned as Chairman of the Rules Committee but that doesn't mean I am not still interesed in seeing the MFCA come up with an official ruleset.

Dimitri,

As you say, table hockey, table soccer, etc... have official endorsed rulesets and I believe that miniature football should have the same for exaxtly what you are talking about NATIONAL and INTERNATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP TITLES.

Why is it taking so long to push go???

Good question. And I don't really have an answer for it other than nobody really wants to play a style other than what they have been playing for years and are comfortable with.

To try and come up with a ruleset that everybody will be happy with is impossible. But I think the BOD as a whole recognizes that we do need an official ruleset and to set some standards for the game and hobby and those discussions are taking place and will continue to take place until we come up with a solution.

[sweetka]

There are a great many rulesets. None will be fully represented. Everyone wants to either TTQB, turn and burn, one stop, use sticks, use simulation, play anytouch or front of base, use a box, dice, cards, Ouija Boards, coin flips, 20 second, six second, make your call, etc. I can go on forever.

Our goal will not be to please everybody because if there is one thing I have learned since trying to institute a national ruleset with Vance Warren, Myron Evans, Frank Johnson, Steve Graham, and someone else I can't remember, we never really got past the Strategy Divider. Remember that?

We shall be presenting a ruleset that has the follwing:

Pace-Setting up quickly but not sweating like a stuffed pig because it's the only edge you can get. I really like the 15 seconds after the offense says set. You are alert throughout but in control

Passing-Sticks and TTQB, no boxes. Tweaking or having your men tweaked to run correctly is actual football and sticks provide for route running. The box, trust this first hand, can be compromised and by eliminating that aspect in passing you will have less tension.

Penalties-streamlined dice possibly. Whatever it is must always be in plain view. Keep in mind tournaments are time based. Doing too much makes it a job, not a hobby. Shake, set down, opponent confirms.

Play Simulations-Has to be reviewed further but I never see the quaterback receive the snap, everyone freezes, then you play chess for a minute. Besides, you can get all the deception you want with ITZ's.

Whatever the style it's not going to need a referee, just a set of eyes. In my dealings in this hobby the referees can be worst part of your gaming experience. Plus, you are there to play, not Marshall games. At Miggle, you don't see a referee until the final eight. You also didn't see it at Buzzball.

Now, I am not putting this out there so you can say why not this that I like or that I don't like. I am merely stating that everyone cannot be pleased and that is tried tested and true. So if you play tournaments and decide well I am true Shoot-out, or I am true simulation, or I am front of base and if you don't do that you're a sissy or whatever hold a tournament in that style and the MFCA will show support in my opinion. A good example is that board members are going out to the Open Run and I honestly think for Shoot-Out that would be the BEST way to show support for our Western Brothers. That, to me, should be the staple event for that style. Same with simulation. Build your specialty, tournament it up, and let's support.

But for the entire entity of the MFCA, it's simplicity over complexities.

Just my thoughts.

[eflfanatic]

But for the entire entity of the MFCA, it's simplicity over complexities.

Ken,

Thanks for your thoughts. I agree it needs to be kept as simple as possible and that is what I tried to do with the default rules but there are just some things that take a lot of explaining to cover every situation that can occur and still keep some semblance of realism (the puntining section of the default rules for example).

Dre,

I agree we need to stick to the NFL rules and believe me I have read and re-read the NFL rules and wathed games for coutnless hours trying to figure out how to simulate the came as close as possible and cover every situation that can occur.

So just for a starter, I think the MFCA rules do need to be based on NFL rules and that is why I also suggested using the NEFL and Pro Set Rules as models for the MFCA because I think they are the closest we have right now to simulating the pro game and keeping it fairly simple.

Also Ken I do have a copy of "Rules 2000" but didn't realize you helped to write them. What are your thoughts as to why they were not accepted as a national ruleset?

[sweetka]

Egos.

It's killing us in some respects.

So many people back then were trying to prove they were the best. To make a long story short no one wanted to compromise because it hindered their chances of being the best. The criticism of the ruleset was relentless and to be honest some things were installed without consultation. No one's fault it's just the networking was not nearly as easy.

Even in league play the same thing happens. You can vote on a rule change and you still have lobbying and argument halfway through the season although the entire body said no.

As far as what the rules are based upon? Yes, the NEFL has nice rules but so does many other leagues. There should be no ruleset used as a reference point because it could be perceived as both showing favortism and being closed minded. This has been the downfall of many a ruleset including rules 2000. That actually started in 1997. See what I mean?

The rules are going to be MFCA. If you see something relative to your style be happy that knowledge. If you see something that you consider foreign to you then be open to it because someone has to learn what you know as well.

For simplicity, just defaulting to NFL rules could pose a problem for inanimate objects. That's the challenge facing us. Making sure everyone has something to work for. Now that's fair.

Just my thoughts

[mantaraydre]

COAHES,

MANY COACHES CAN BE CHAMPS IN A STYLE THE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH. Everyone has 1 to there liking for whatever reason. But if you have noticed, not every gravitates towards every rule set. Thats why there are so many rules out here. In the nfl there is only 1 ruleset to abide by. Imagine if everyone NFL owner submitted what he thinks all the NFL rules should be.
You may have 25 different ideas like we have here. Imagine if an NFL game was played by the rules of the home team via the owners idea. None of us can go by what only 1 man thinks. But we can abide by what an organization enforces for equality and national/international recognition as 1 champion.

Any coach who creates a ruleset on his own can only hope that a few see the game as he does and wants to have a game or two. But he can expect much opposition .

So what is the answer. My answer,since we are playing with NFL and COLLEGE teams. Why not follow exactly how they play on TV.
1)40 SECOND SET UP

2)REAL KICK OFFS

THE MPFL HAS DONE THIS BUT MANY STILL DID NOT ACCEPT IT.

***You still need structure, so how would you create the game so it is played like you see it on television

I may need to watch a few MADDEN games to see wy this works so well being played on the computer. Are they using the exact NFL rules.

HOW DO YOU RECREATE THE NFL WITH PLASTIC FIGURES. THE RULES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE, Look up nfl rules. look at an nil game on tav. How do you

1) determine a hold

2)determine a fumble

3)determine pass interference

DONT GO BY YOUR PERSONAL PREFERENCES. How do you recreate EXACTLY WHAT YOU SEE ON TV ?

MANTARAYDRE

[mantaraydre]

coaches,

we must get them in the simplest form on paper. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PLEASE EVERYONE. Its like the cowboys right now. They do not have a good running game because they are trying to please both backs. They just spoke on this today on espn. Make one of them the feature back and the other just has to accept being the second option. Same with a qb trying to throw the ball to a team full of superstars. YOU CANT PLEASE ALL OF THEM.

Ken made a great point, if you see something close to your rules be happy it was considered. If you see something foreign, take the time to learn them.
We all had to learn something foreign in school didn't we.

Don smith always said a great coach can read a ruleset 10 minutes before a game and put his team on the field. (adrian baxter comes to mind).

I would like to see diplomatic minds put something together and just push go. Who ever don't like the rules that is something they must carry around.

AS LONG AS YOU SEE MANY THINGS THAT ARE RELEVANT IN TODAYS GAME. THATS GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE HOBBY. Trying to please every coach is killing the fun and unity. Ken is right, show no favoritism.

EFFANATIC, PLEASE RE-INSTATE YOUR POSITION. I different mind set is taking place right now. With the notion it is going to be written and it will be what is on paper.

Hopefully coaches like the MFCA as a whole and enjoy the rules. Realistically, you will always have your own ruleset to fall back on anytime you want. What are you losing ? Be happy something in your ruleset was considered. ITS LIKE THE OSCARS OR GRAMMYS. If you don't win an award just be thankful you were considered over many many actors and actresses. Also many music artist. AT LEAST SOMETHING ABOUT YOU WAS ACKNOWLEDGED. DONT DIFFERENT PEOPLE GO HOME WITH AWARDS.
Who do you know in history won every single award that night. NOT EVEN MICHAEL JACKSON FOR THRILLER. NOT STAR WARS FOR EVERYTHING IT HAS DONE.

1)ken allen
2)mike pratt
3)effanatic
4)myron evans
5)smitty ravens

THESE DIPLOMATIC MINDS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE GET SOMETHING ON PAPER SOON AS POSSIBLE. soon as the last T is crossed and I is dotted.

THATS IT, MFCA OFFICIAL RULES 2011


MANTARAYDRE

[the french guy]

Just one main idea from me : if you want to play it competitive, REMOVE ANY RANDOM EFFECT.

No dice
No box
Or whatever (like the mini footballs pickup in Pro set).

these things brings fun, but also decisions you can contest.

Stationay players ? Remove any stationay bases. THink about (I'm personaly working on field accessories...) field accessories to allow 1 or more stationary players, but thing that each one of your team athlete as to be prepared to move. In football there is no stone statues playing


LIMITED ROSTERS. You cannot allow a guy with 50 or more athletes against a 25 athletes coach.In any table sport or competitive game, you just cannot have one figure for each purpose. You have to make choice.

It 's something helping the game to be fair, not based on how many time and money someone can put on his team.


It's my ideas, I'm working to integrate in my own french football ruleset. Pick ideas...or not

[sweetka]

Originally Posted by the french guy

Just one main idea from me : if you want to play it competitive, REMOVE ANY RANDOM EFFECT.

No dice
No box
Or whatever (like the mini footballs pickup in Pro set).

these things brings fun, but also decisions you can contest.

Stationay players ? Remove any stationay bases. THink about (I'm personaly working on field accessories...) field accessories to allow 1 or more stationary players, but thing that each one of your team athlete as to be prepared to move. In football there is no stone statues playing


LIMITED ROSTERS. You cannot allow a guy with 50 or more athletes against a 25 athletes coach.In any table sport or competitive game, you just cannot have one figure for each purpose. You have to make choice.

It 's something helping the game to be fair, not based on how many time and money someone can put on his team.


It's my ideas, I'm working to integrate in my own french football ruleset. Pick ideas...or not

you got it "D"