A Major Disadvantage In The D.f.w And B.a.m Style Of Play
 

REG IS RIGHT


IF YOU CAN'T PASS, YOU CAN'T WIN 'EXCEPT FOR THE GREAT JIM DAVIS'


During my losing streak in the bam i noticed one thing, everyone scores on td passes. im not sure how many running td's are recorded but 99% of the scores against me have been passes. It's fine being in a league that is pass oriented first but it is no fun for me when i do not pass due the the TTQ OR TDQ only ruling. Speaking with healy and others, in this style of play it is impposible to stop the pass. Someone isgoing to get free in 3 to 4 sec's. I know your thinking blitz but it does not work all the time.

This is no fun for me because the guy's in the league are deadly passing (not like hudson in the DFW) but all are very accurate. My running game is decent and coaches no this and just stack the box. This is why i wan't to play with ant burgess in the MPFL. This style will give me a better chance to win with the combo of running the ball and pass placement leading the wr's down field.

Im not quitting the B.A.M but im letting it be known im not 100% thrilled with gun show that's going on. yesterday i was in major pain but still showed up to play as long as i can. jerry and i alway's have a nice friendly game. i have 3 kick returns for td's so that is at least something to build on and smile at.
I will put it to you this way, it's like a boxer going into a fight with one of his arms broken but he fights anyway. The fighter with 2 good arms has a major advantage.

I also don't like the other passing method involving the reliance on the dice. I feel the receiver should go and get the ball on the field. I devised a hybrid method in which you shake one ten sided dice after the receiver you want gets open. if the dice read 8 or 5 or 7 or 1, you place the ball the distance from what the dice say from the wr in his direct path (no turning or ajusting.
that should all take but 7 seconds. (and guess what, no sticks are involved).

BUT REG IS 100% RIGHT, IF YOU CAN'T PASS, YOU CANT WIN


MANTARAYDRE

:confused: Jim has proven that you can win without the Pass...... he has a good defense....

Dre..... call me.....


:confused: :confused:

Just learn to pass! That's part of the beauty of the game to me, nailing a pass with the TTQB.


If you are physically unable to using the TTQB for any reason then just lay the sticks down!

To me the Shootout based rules are trhe best form of MF, you certainly won't doze off during a game in the Shootout style that's for sure!

A few BAM stats
 

Keeping in mind that the BAM is in it's infancy and a few games stats were not as accurate as possible due to no ref/stats guy here are the percentage breakdowns yards/TD's from scrimmage for the BAM games played PRIOR to yesterday.

Total rush yards - all teams 1,793
That number is 25% of all yards from scrimmage

Total Pass yards - all teams 5,413
That number is 75% of all yards from scrimmage

Total rush TD's - all teams 18
That number is 23% of all TD's from scrimmage

Total Pass TD's - all teams 59
That number is 77% of all TD's from scrimmage

seeing that the DFW style emulates the NFL in many ways those numbers
do seem to make sense.

2007 NFL stats
total rush yards all teams 56,790
34% of all yards from scrimmage

total pass yards all teams 109,722
66% of all yards from scrimmage

total rush td's all teams 386
35% of all td's from scrimmage

total pass td's all teams 720
65% of all td'sfrom scrimmage

Also - stacking is not the only method that can be employed to suppress the run game.

Wow!!!
 

I was shocked when I read this but Dre I'd like to respond to your post.

If the type of passing rules that have been implemented to assist coaches with physical impairments does not meet your needs then I would suggest something to the rules committee so that accomodations can be made. The TSO rules were created in manner which allows fair play, comraderie and realism to all be a part of the game and under this style of play as well as in the NFL, College or any level of football if you can't pass your going to struggle big time to win.

The New England Patriots are a great example. No Brady, they are struggling. The Jets get Brett Favre now they are competitive again. The Vikings are one of the best teams in the NFL 1-50, the other 3 that play QB, that make up the rest of that 53 man roster have been the key to why they have been unsuccessful. The play action pass when teams have 8 or 9 in the box is a beautiful thing. We have played games in the DFW that have been very low scoring and excellent passers have been a part of those games. Passing deesn't win games it opens up games so that you keep the defense more honest allowing you to become more balanced. If you can just pass and not run you won't win in this league either.

Two things come in to mind when I read you post.

One - The BAM is in its inagural season using what could arguably be the most intense style of rules in the country in the TSO rules. There is not a single experienced coach under this style of play in your league therefore, execution and defense strategies against the strategies that go along with this style of play is going to be at an all time low. I consider myself a pretty good coach. I played in the Seawall Brawl this past year. I was winning 14-0 with 9 plays left and found a way to lose the game because I was not familiar with what defense strategies to apply in that style of play under those circumstances. Not to mention the guy I lost to was a great coach in his own right and he understood the strategies of the game and that style of play! Not an excuse for me but the point was that it takes some getting use to.

Secondly - Defensive Schemes. Pressure is important! Although, you may not get there everytime, a hurry sometimes is just as good as a sack. Forcing the opposition to turn the set off before he is ready equates to a QB getting rid of it before the play develops. You must implement strategies that force pressure on the QB. Again, I make the realism comparison. When there is no pressure on the QB's they pick the defense apart in the NFL. Jamming inside receivers and playing safeties over top also is a great strategy. You have to understand that this style of play allows you to play the strategies of the field also. When you learn that you are a lot more successful. Force him to throw inside of your zone, force him to throw deep sideline routes, design your defense to do these things and watch the percentages of the passing go down versus your team.

I would never tell a coach what figures to use but your athletes are instrumental in the success of your schemes also. For example. If you're a coach that does not like to play with swoopers or you just can't get pressure on the QB, then it is important that you play with defensive lineman that have their hands up so that your hands are in the passing lanes. This will make passing a little more difficult for this QB considering he will have all day to throw. Some figures are more balanced for strength. You want to use these figures if you want to be known as a run stopper. Having knowledge of this kind of information is important. It's not always the figure that looks the best its the figure that gets the job done.

I'm more than willing to discuss some of these strategies with you. But remember an offense is only as good as the defense allows them to be. I'd love to help you understand how to coach in this style of play if you're interested. LMK

Mike Robertson

Mike,

Well said.

Wally

Mike,

Dre is NOT using the passing modifications that you speak of - not sure why. I just learned of these rules mods last week. I say again - HE is chosing NOT to use them.

interesting and curiously.....
 

what are these passing modifications and are they available for anyone to use?
i ask because there are guys who cant pass and guys who cant pass.
But then there are guys like myself, who can do a little something, but dont have the time to put in to really become proficient in passing. i would however, still like to be competitive in play. would i be allowed to use the passing mods?

A stat note
 

The Giants (WJabs coach) RB #34 had 16 carries for 147 yards and 3 TD's on Saturday. The Giants had a total of 211 rushing yards. The Chiefs (Coach Brooks) in the same game rushed for 111 yards and passed for 245. And this was in a game with a ton of kick-off return TD's.

Bob,

Thanks for the stats! They back up that you can run the ball in this system. I only passed twice in the my game against the the Cheifs.

Wally

Passing is a must if you want to setup the run.....
 

I was 0-3 before I could grasp even the most minute concept of the form of play. I reached out and found that if I played "D" to get back the ball, then I could start to pass with the intent of setting up the run...my first option..... when the pass has stopped working...Buccs are 2-3. Coach make the adjustments, call other coaches, watch other games....most importantly.....ask questions in your post and be patient for the response.....**key apply information into your game planthmbsp$

The Great RR told me the same thing..."give it time" Hang in there Coachthmbsp$ thmbsp$

dirty laundy
 

First of all, dirty laundry is attacking someone personally or putting there personal business on the streets !!!!!!!

second of all, My post here was speaking of my woes playing in a league with ttqb/tdq only !!!!

third of all, all of you guy's have the same lovely hands as when you first arrived in the hospital. Some people in life don't get to have that continued blessing so you still try your best anyway.

fourth of all, you guy's are way to serious about something we are not getting paid for.

I was just at the nanuet park and ride, there are no cabs. I was suprised because i thought there would be. Im the type of person who likes to get to and from on my own. I called bob and asked jerry for rides due to the no cab service suprise.

i stopped hyping things because it is a thankless job, you go out of your way to hype things and it is never appreciated. Why continue driving the bus while everyone else is enjoying the scenary. I think me creating that B.A M logo with wolf is hype enough. I have been nothing but good to many in this hobby only to see many turn there back on me. Would you still have the desire to hype anything.

I find it very hard to be the nice good guy in this hobby just trying to have fun.

IT'S AMAZING SOME THINK I AM BASHING THE BAM WHEN I AM THE ONE WHO CREATED IT. "PLEASE GO TO THE OPENING THREAD IN THE POST AND HIGHLIGHT WHAT PART IS DIRTY LAUNDRY".

At this point, it does not really matter. I recognize the hidden signs im not wanted in the league anymore.

When one door closes, another door opens. The great ant burgess just emailed me and let me know the TEXANS are available in the MPFL. wITH HIS PASS PLACEMENT style of passing, i may have better success with the sage rosenfels show to jacoby jones and the 2 dre's. Also with the 4stopburgess, my steve slaton can do some serious cut backs.

So B.A.M, no hard feelings to any. I hope we can all still be friends and not let a diff of opinion ruin the love for the hobby. I wish you all well and much success in your game travels. GOD BLESS THE STATUE OF LIBERTY and FRANK SINATRA. ( KEEP SPREADING THE BAM NEWS AND BUILD IT TO AMAZING HEIGHTS)

MANTARAYDRE

Dre,
If the ability to "grip" the TDQ is a problem I would like to offer my services to you, free of charge, and modify a TDQ that makes it easier for you to use. Just thinking for example there are a variety of ways to accomplish this. If its "grip" in general there are very strong magnets these days that are small in size. If you had for instance a "metal ring" and I positioned a couple of neodymium magnets on the base or the TDQ it would act as the grip. And you could fire away. If you are interested we can talk on the phone and I am sure somehow someway we can "fit" you with a TDQ that would allow you to practice and become as good as a passer as possible. Let me know.thmbsp$





Geno H

Dre
 

No hidden messages here. I am still confused. As I said I did't and don't picking you up at the park and ride, etc...

I did not see anyone say you are not welcome.

This stuff is way too much - really. I love doing the videos, working the stats and all the "hype" stuff, but....

enough said.

I think maybe it is time for ME to step away from both the BAM and the CNYEFL and enjoy playing EF/MF with my son and teaching it to some of his friends.

jey geno
 

It's funny you brought this up

yesterday, i cut a little slit in the back of a boat base and i have these small great clamps that fit perfectly. I hold the clamp and put my finger on the back of the tdq's platform. it feels perfect after all of this time. It took me until yesterday to feel comfortable holding it. ( i love the tdq). well, yesterday and today i practiced passing and hit 25 in a row at different angles. For me, it was all about feeling comfortable holding it finally. i tried a million way's and found a comfort level yesterday. Most guy's can grab it quickly where i alway's had to figure out how to hold it.

it's the dawning of a new DRE !!!!!!!!!

PS/ I NEED 3 MORE AS BACKUPS WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE

GENO THANX ALOT


MANTARAYDRE

I dont get it , why is there any talk of quiting !!
Just play and have fun .

Enjoy the game try and win but it is not the end of the world if you dont .
It is not the NFL it id EFL
Have fun!!
Make videos, hype and play.
help each other out .
It is a brother hood
I will get off the soap boxs

Bob Don't You Dare Leave
 

BOB,

Don't you dare leave the BAM. you are oe of the great guy's in the hobby and one major driving force for the BAM. new york city needs coaches like yourself who are extremely passionate.

PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE THE BAM. WALLY AND MOZEEK WELCOME YOUR TALENT'S FOR THE LEAGUE

MANTARAYDRE

Good point Scott
 

Way too much negative stuff. Not enough communication.
Maybe we should have an official MFCA therapist.

RS

Dre,

Morgan and I, on the behalf of the BAMFL would like to wish you the best of luck in the MPFL. We are sorry that you have chosen to go in another direction. We only wish that you came to us sooner to discuss your feelings on the passing with the TTQB. As opposed to publicizing your disatisfaction. here on the chat board. There is always a work around and we are sure that we could have put something together to satisfy you and the league.

As a coach in the BAMFL you were well liked by all. There’s not one person in the league that wasn’t happy to have you there.

Best of luck to you on your miniature football journey.

Wally

A Word On Jimbo
 

I am aware that my good friend Jimbo posted some positive thoughts on my behalf but i did not get a chance to read them before they were pulled from the site.

Jimbo had no baring on my recent decision about the events we have before us. Jimbo, Don and i have formed a BROTHERHOOD that extends wayyyyy beyond the scope of electric football. I had no discusions with jimbo regarding any of this. He cut on his computer and saw his BROTHER in the middle of uneccesary doings. Jimbo will stand tall for me as i will for him. This is the bond/closeness we have developed over time. I only wish Don and jimbo lived here in new york. The why jimbo posted here is due to the BROTHERHOOD.

Jimbo, thanx again for your loyalty and friendship. I don't mind being THE ISRAEL in electric football as long as you and Don ARE FLYING THE PLANES WITH THE NUKE'S !!!!!!!!!!!!!

MANTARAYDRE


MANTARAYDRE